So, just wondering: D&D (was what's your favourite CRPG?)

[Tawmis]

A civil conversation doesn't include one person hammering away at another. In contrast, a civil conversation DOES include agreeing to disagree.
You've failed on all counts.
So this thread lost any "civil conversation" long ago.

I would have "agreed to disagree" had I known, from the start, your hatred of D&D comes from CRPGS - SOLELY. At which point, yes, I could be made to see your point of view. I was operating on the assumption you had played D&D itself (as in the pen and paper game) - and perhaps that was my error. But when you said you hated D&D, and that you don't have time for "D&D Studies" - I assumed, that meant you knew there were QUITE a few books for the pen & paper D&D game (we're talking well over 20 or 30 books now, for the latest edition). And I could see how that would be intimidating for the new player to D&D.

And I hardly think that three or four posts (one of them being the start and asking why you hated D&D is hardly "hammering away" at someone). Again, my posts - if you look back - are all going on the assumption you had played the Pen & Paper version of the game. My error, admittedly, for assuming as such. And for that, my apologies. I was just trying to figure out why you hated it so much. If your sole experience is with CRPGs for D&D, and you hate - then so be it. I won't argue further about it. You hate CRPGs based on D&D. Fine. End of the line.

I even tried to show, that I honestly believe you were more intelligent than myself - and you even turned THAT comment around and make a snarky, sarcastic remark out of it.

[Tawmis]

Are you familiar with Vampire: The Masquerade? That's my favorite pen-and-paper RPG and it probably sets the bar for everything else. I like that style of play, heavy on interpretation and moral choice and light on rules and dice, dark, gloomy, introspective, philosophical almost. I absolutely love V:tM Bloodlines, if you haven't tried it, is a good rendition and it's also available on GOG!

Aye, I have played it. There's hardly an RPG that I have not played, it would seem (well dating back 5 years ago and before). I used to really be into RPGs of all kinds back then - everything from your standard D&D type games (whether in Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Custom Worlds), to Gamma World, to Boot Hill, to Star Frontiers, Spelljammer, Vampire, Werewolf, Cyberpunk... Back when I hung out with my friends... that's pretty much how we spent our evenings was gaming! It was always very fun, even if we had power gamers in the group.

I even did a comic strip (since I can't draw I used the art from Knights of the Dinner Table) based on our games: here. I later even did one based off of the art from Order of the Stick found: here.

[DeadPoolX]

A civil conversation doesn't include one person hammering away at another. In contrast, a civil conversation DOES include agreeing to disagree.
You've failed on all counts.
So this thread lost any "civil conversation" long ago.

I would have "agreed to disagree" had I known, from the start, your hatred of D&D comes from CRPGS - SOLELY. At which point, yes, I could be made to see your point of view. I was operating on the assumption you had played D&D itself (as in the pen and paper game) - and perhaps that was my error. But when you said you hated D&D, and that you don't have time for "D&D Studies" - I assumed, that meant you knew there were QUITE a few books for the pen & paper D&D game (we're talking well over 20 or 30 books now, for the latest edition). And I could see how that would be intimidating for the new player to D&D.

And I hardly think that three or four posts (one of them being the start and asking why you hated D&D is hardly "hammering away" at someone). Again, my posts - if you look back - are all going on the assumption you had played the Pen & Paper version of the game. My error, admittedly, for assuming as such. And for that, my apologies. I was just trying to figure out why you hated it so much. If your sole experience is with CRPGs for D&D, and you hate - then so be it. I won't argue further about it. You hate CRPGs based on D&D. Fine. End of the line.

I even tried to show, that I honestly believe you were more intelligent than myself - and you even turned THAT comment around and make a snarky, sarcastic remark out of it.

Given the title of the thread and that I was relating my D&D experience to other CRPGs, I thought you knew I wasn't talking about PnP. I could see how confusing my comments might have been in this case.

I guess we both got our wires crossed somehow.

As for the "snarky comment," I get that way when I feel I'm being (unfairly) attacked. I acually felt angry enough to put a hole in the wall. Seriously.

Regardless of how I felt, I shouldn't have said what I did. I apologize for making that comment.